Letters to the Editor
Obama’s influences seek government control
Posted on Nov 13, 2009 by Jeff Tecklenburg.
Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter endeavored to reshape America by expanding government control.
The stimulus and the government takeover of the automobile and finance industries are modern strategies designed to expand government control over today’s economy. The “public option” in the health care bill is not about health care as much as it is about government control over individuals.
I have witnessed individuals involved in our government who, on video, have expressed the following positions:
Andy Stern, a global union leader, who visited the White House frequently, said, “We took names, we watched how they voted.” “Use the power of persuasion; if that fails, use the persuasion of power.” “Workers of the world unite!” (Remember Lenin?)
Socialist George Soros, also a White House visitor, said, “The system we have is broken. We need to create a new one; this is the time to do this.”
President Obama’s minister, the Rev. Wright said, “This is the land of the greed and home of the slave.”
Robert McChesney, another White House visitor, is the director of the foundation that operates the socialist Monthly Review Magazine. He said, “Take capitalism apart one brick at a time.”
To understand today’s national threat, readers can research, in addition to the above, the following individuals who influence our president: Van Jones, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, Ed Montgomery, Ron Bloom, Carol Browner, Gary Samore and ACORN executives.
Subjective loyalty to a political party diminishes that party’s effectiveness in maintaining the character of a nation.
Bill Strilich
Marion
Gary_E
13. Nov, 2009
Bill you are exactly right, the so called hope and change is despair and chains.
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
Which Fox gasbag did you appropriate that little gem from?
Gary_E
13. Nov, 2009
BO is a wolf in sheeps clothing plotting the destruction of our culture. BO may be well intentioned but what he has done and is trying to do leads to perdition. You are right on Bill.
keithmapel
13. Nov, 2009
Gary-Your understanding of Obama, ( plotting the distruction of our culture.) Would come
closer to being " YOU and BILL." Your both about as far off as you can get,without falling off
the building.
Gary_E
13. Nov, 2009
Based on what?
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
I was serious in my last question. The posters on this board have a right to know who is doing your thinking for you.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
Why? Because you think anyone who disagrees with Obama must not be thinking for themselves? Based on your words, it seems you're not interested in any kind of evaluation of Obama's Whitehouse, you're simply interested in attacking anyone who doesn't tow the Democrat line.
If you're interested in reasoned discussion, you might try asking "what he has done" that is leading us to perdition?
CitiXen
13. Nov, 2009
Any examples of what Obama has done to opress you so far … or just far flung idealistic arguements ? Gary's post was ridiculous.
shotfeel
14. Nov, 2009
I'm not the one who made that claim, I was just responding to the tenor of the response.
Now if you want to discuss the oppression in the Pelosi bill that will imprison people if they don't buy government sanctioned health insurance…
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
None of the people that you mentioned are connected to the government in any way other than having "visited the White House" and therefore being personally acquainted with the President. All of them have left-leaning, or pro-labor, affiliations. So what? Mr. Obama didn't get elected by staking out political positions and cultivating relationships that were to the right of those of Mr. McCain. He is not about to renege on committments made to the voters who elected him in a futile attempt to court the interest groups that voted for his opponent and who will never, ever get behind the programs that he and his party are supporting.
SilaceMcKormic
13. Nov, 2009
Your right>>>He has been in our face for two or three years promising everyone the moon on a silver platter and new that he would blame the Republicans for everything being so screwed up that no one could govern , which has become his excuse for failure.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
van jones was, until they realized he was more radical then the rest of the radicals.
keithmapel
13. Nov, 2009
jacqueknife-Youre right on. It's good to see,we are not all lost.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
I'd bet some of those folks who voted for him wish they could renege their vote
ctiger
13. Nov, 2009
Not me. I thank my lucky stars every morning when I wake up and remember that the Bush/ Cheney regime is over.
SilaceMcKormic
13. Nov, 2009
Can not wait until the lefties finally wake up and get on here to trash this one.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
since most of them don't work, it may be a couple more hours..lol
Iowarch
13. Nov, 2009
By the way, I do work, so lets dispense with the aligations that could as easily be turned on yourselves.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
it was a joke, you guys are really getting more and more sensitive.
JohnNone
13. Nov, 2009
Conserview, with all respect and genuine affection, I'd advise you to become a bit more adroit at joke-telling, and particularly since apparently you aren't very good at being on the other end of them.
OwenHarper
13. Nov, 2009
And yet it was you folks who posted first!
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
ok, not really sure what that means,
OwenHarper
13. Nov, 2009
Ah, never mind. I hadn't had coffee yet and I'm easily confused before coffee.
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
One of many things you don't understand conserview. Long list.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
They're heeeere!
Yellowdog58
13. Nov, 2009
Don't forget the communications director that just stepped down said she "turns to Mao the most" or Van Jones former green jobs Czar and admitted Communist. And there are more radicals that are Czars and anti-US in his administration, all you have to do is open your eyes and do a little research, something the news used to do.
Iowarch
13. Nov, 2009
Beyond the ability to cash in on words that represent fear, what have you provided in real explaination of the current administrations ability to do anything you are proposing? Secondly, since the system we have is democratic in nature, it appears you have lost sight of the fact "we the people" make the decisions. If the direction should focus on something socialistic it will be up to the people to decide if that is the direction they want to go or not. For those who love to live in fear of what could happen or might happen I'd suggest a chill pill, the sky has a long way to go before it is falling.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
"we the people make the decisions" please, todays Rasmussen poll 47% approve of the Presidents performance, 51% disapprove, 45% approve the health care bill, 52% disapprove.
You get the picture, there is more if you want.
davefett
13. Nov, 2009
Arch walked right into that one.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
I think we scared them off, we are a bit to real for them.
JohnNone
13. Nov, 2009
No, it;s just that most of us think the Rasmussen poll is any more accurate then reading tea leaves.
Wait…tea leaves are usually more accurate by a margin of 7.89%.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
Has anyone else ever noticed that you can usually identify letters written by a Glenn Beck / Sean Hannity victim just by skimming for certain key words, names, and phrases? Many of them appear in this letter to the editor. Government control. Government takeover. Lenin. Soros. Rev. Wright. Van Jones. And of course, the holy grail of Fake Newsdom, Acorn.
When will these people realize that the folks they are getting their "news" from are just silly talk show clowns?
OwenHarper
13. Nov, 2009
Yup, parroting the same old nonsense over and over.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Owen I know exactly what your saying,
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
Never- it's been shown that parrots actually don't comprehend human speech, although they reproduce it quite well.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
Has anyone else noticed that whenever Obama starts being discussed in anything but positive terms, many of the liberals posting here will try to change the subject to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, just like they do at dailykos & huffingtonpost? Its like they're afraid to discuss Obama's presidency on its own merit.
davefett
13. Nov, 2009
Bingo! they cant defend BO and his goof ball policies so they go on the attack. god forbid he should take one of their beloved entitlement programs from them. By the way, Im losing my job in January. If I apply for unemployment, do I have to change my voter registration from Repub to Dem?
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
No don't want you. If you need the unemployment you might give thanks to the lines of thinking that make it available. But I doubt it.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
I wish admin would spit out my comment..
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Instead of lining up for the dole, why don't you just "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" like your cohorts insist?
davefett
13. Nov, 2009
I wont be applying. I just posed the question, if I apply, do I have to change my voter reg. Dont worry, there will be plenty there for you and yours. I'll keep giving, so you can keep taking.
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
The reason for this doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out. The tired old anti-Obama rhetoric that the wingnuts mouth here is often word for word the same verbal trash that is spewed out by the Fox political "entertainers". I look forward to the day when we can actually "discuss Obama's presidency on its own merit". That can't happen while we have a wingnut posting corps that finds it easier to be opinion conduits rather than critical thinkers in their own right.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
so so typical, I have no facts to base my opinion on, so the next best thing to do is trash Fox, Beck, Rush, etc. You people have no originality, This may not be the best forum for you Jacq, because you will be met with opposition, you guys don't like that.
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
Au contraire, we love it. Although as an ego trip, it's equivalent to a drive to Alburnett.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
" I look forward to the day when we can actually "discuss Obama's presidency on its own merit"."
Then do it and stop blaming others for the fact that you're not. If you do that, "the day" is today. Otherwise, you're the problem.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
The reason we point out Glenn Beck / Rush Limbaugh nonsense is because it is just that. Nonsense. What is the point of starting a discussion based on non-facts? If you really wish to know what Obama is doing and not doing, you might start at the following web site, where Obama's progress (on the campaign promises he was ELECTED TO KEEP) is being monitored. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
But I won't hold my breath. Facts aren't nearly as much fun for Fox News zombies as having garbage screamed at you by some blowhard on the radio or tv.
PTBarnum
13. Nov, 2009
I prefer the SNL skit on his performance.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
That was pretty funny.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
SNL might be a better source than Fox in most cases.
ctiger
13. Nov, 2009
Yes you would prefer that. That's about as far as your level of comprehension goes.
But pdon't make fools of yourself by posting that drivel here as gospel truth, makes you look simple.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
So why not just lead with your post starting at, "If you really wish to know…" instead of injecting Beck & Limbaugh into it, if that's really what you want? You and I both know that is just a distraction. You even felt the need to bring Fox news into it and smear anyone who watches it. As long as you keep doing that, don't try to fool anyone into believing you really want an honest debate if only the "zombies" would stop with their nonsense. That's simply dishonest.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
I was responding to your question regarding why I pointed out the unreliable sources of information that the letter writer was obviously getting his information from. Sorry I called you zombies. You're always so polite.
keithmapel
13. Nov, 2009
Bill-Now you have let the (CAT out of the BAG.) You just let everyone know. "You know nothing about what is going on." The only ( National Threat ) are people like you, that have a vary poor understanding of our Goverments working in todays economy. Our Govt. trying to bring peace in a world,that the past Republican President, showed a personal agenda. We bring war and fear,to the world. We need not talk, as we have a great war machine at hand. Bush and party,put the US
Govt's path to where we are today. Bush was a ( NON LEADER.) He was one to follow Cheney into wars,that added debt on debt,for our childrens, children to pay for. Get with the program.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Where were these people when Bush was eroding our rights, that's what I want to know. Why so happy to give it up for him?
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Ann, what rights do you feel have been deminished? Please expound.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Sorry, I ain't biting. I refuse to partake in the repubs favortie cirle j__k…
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
circle j__k? typical
ctiger
13. Nov, 2009
You know full well that Ann is right. It's the same old go around we had yesterday and the day before, ad nauseatum.
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
They use their right hands only. It's a handicap.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Bwahahaha..
only one {handicap} of many…
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
And if you think personal right eroded under the Bush administration, I hope you're aware a bill containing the worst attack on freedom in decades recently passed in the House of Representatives.
Under the Pelosi bill, you can be imprisoned for failure to buy government approved health insurance. The government is now trying to legislate behavior they think is best for you, with the complete sacrifice of freedom as penalty should you refuse.
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
Loss of US Civil Liberties
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project...
Bill Maher. [Source: HBO publicity photo]White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer warns, “There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do.” [Associated Press, 9/26/2001]
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeli...
Sixgun78
13. Nov, 2009
I think it's funny that so many Americans jump on the Obama band wagon and consider him more of a leader that any president before him…when he has spent more time traveling overseas, more time spent on vacation and the golf course and has accomplished nothing other than getting elected. Obama is not a leader, he's an aristocrat. Alright, I'm waiting for the Obama apologists to rail against me now.
Baum
13. Nov, 2009
You are kidding, surely?
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
Nothing here to rail against, nothing, nothing, nothing.
keithmapel
13. Nov, 2009
I see Rushy & Crazy beck's people are still in the comments. You can always tell the lost ones,when they defend the likes of Rushy & Becky. These people have a poor understanding of the world or the economy.
Sixgun78
13. Nov, 2009
See, this is the tactic. You bad mouth and try to discredit the opposition using groundless and emotional arguments to support blindly partisan points. It's not keithmapel here has any thoughts of his own…he's just parroting the same old stuff from the same old libs. You on the left are so intellectually bankrupt; you are just about power.
PTBarnum
13. Nov, 2009
"These people have a poor understanding of the world or the economy. "
Puhlease, $787B in stimulus and the unemployment rate is over 10% and you're saying REPs don't know anything about the economy? Give me a break. It should be fairly obvious to everybody, but the most die hard LIBs that what the current administration is doing isn't doing anything to help anybody but themselves.
Ready to talk facts, whenever anyone would like to.
davefett
13. Nov, 2009
There is one thing I like about Obama's administration. They keep making rookie mistakes. Had he not passed that stupid stimulus package, the countries focus wouldnt be on spending the way it is. And that is whats hopefully going to sink Obamacare or at least cause it to be way watered down to the point of harmless. Big time rookie mistake to let botox Nancy write the stim package. It got the countries attention.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
Please explain how Obama is responsible for the worst recession in 70 years. The one that started almost a year before he took office. The one that we are moving out of. You may not agree with the choices he has made to correct the problem, but look at the latest GDP numbers, compare them to the first quarter, and tell me how Repubs were responsible for the turnaround. Unemployment is always, always, always a lagging indicator after a recession ends. Check your history.
shotfeel
13. Nov, 2009
He didn't start it, he made it worse.
His attacks on the auto and finance industries made it clear the government would take over anything it felt wasn't performing to its standards, leaving investors out in the cold. Now the government is after the health care industry. What do you think that does to the recovery?
Talks by Democrats about seizing "windfall profits" for various industries also make investors worry that, should there investment be too good, the government will punish them. What does that do to the recovery?
A stimulus plan that was essentially a conglomeration of pork barrel projects with no real focus on job or economic stimulus was passed because Obama warned that unemployment could hit 9% if the "stimulus" was not passed… immediately! His continuing inability to forecast unemployment, much less any other economic indicators has eroded faith in his ability to understand and fix any problems.
Obama's actions have kept investors on the sidelines and kept businesses wary of hiring or expanding. The recovery isn't helped by a President who seems more uncertain and unpredictable than the market.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
The numbers say it is getting better, not worse. But I know numbers are awfully scientific and logical and elitist and all. So just disregard them and make stuff up. Like saying Obama "attacked" the auto and finance industries (which are also making a nice comeback, by the way, despite the "attacks"). Or pretend that "worried investors" are on the sidelines. Pay no attention to the soaring stock market. The only people who find Obama uncertain and unpredictable are the ones who get their information from those sources that I can't bring up any more because you might throw a hissy fit.
PTBarnum
13. Nov, 2009
Here's the cite on the 10 year loss. Forgot it.
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsu...
PTBarnum
13. Nov, 2009
Here's the cite on the 10 year loss. Forgot it.
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsu...
PTBarnum
13. Nov, 2009
"Please explain how Obama is responsible for the worst recession in 70 years. "
Well for starters, $787B was supposed to keep unemployment down to 8%, FAIL. Usually 3M jobs are lost in an average recession, we have lost 8M. The workweek hours have fallen from 33.8 to 33.0. So, this doesn't point to any type of recovery since the average hours per week wouldn't continue to fall. The employment in the private sector is negative on a 10 year basis, so this isn't short term. There is a direct correlation in the raising of the minimum wage to job losses for teens. Dem's have been in control of the house for almost 3 years, so don't be crying that it's only been 10 months.
"but look at the latest GDP "
You do realize that the GDP does take into account Government spending? See above $787B.
j49
13. Nov, 2009
"You do realize that the GDP does take into account Government spending? See above $787B. "
I thought the stimulus wasn't working.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
It's Bush's fault he's not a leader, and an aristocrat. Yep they will blame Fox news, they will blame Rush, they will blame the Republicans. Every negitive thing that BO does, Republicans did it. Thats their game, you will get used to it.
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
We've seen YOUR game, and we're already tired of it.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
ouch, that stings, good comeback
Sixgun78
13. Nov, 2009
Don't get me wrong, I am not a Republican either. I'm an independent who is disillusioned about the corruption and evil on both sides. It seems like no matter who gets elected, there's still war, growth of government and loss of freedom. The Dems rail agianst Bush and the Reps for having war in Afganistan and Iraq, but it's ok if the Democratic President (who ran on an anti war platform) is getting ready to possibly lead the largest troop mobilization since WWII. I think it's ironic.
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
IINO
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
Simply had to check the posts on this one. Here we go again.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
yeppers.
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
I know Bill Strilich feels better and I am glade for him. Not one truth or fact but a DITTO HEAD speaks out. Rush is my brain and I will repeat DITTO HEAD, DITTO HEAD,DITTO HEAD, Rush I hope I pleased you master!!
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
you just keep proving our points, I guessing you have not read all the posts?
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
I guessing your wrong again, you guesser you. The guessing is the method of research for the neo-cons. Ditto does prove your following, you guesser. Glade I could help. Has Rush the(Chicken Hawk) talked about his deferment from service? Chicken Hawks, and Ditto Heads have a strong Facist following…….I guessing
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
I guessing you wrong again.
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.
The Census' final report card on Bush's record presents an intriguing backdrop to today's economic debate. Bush built his economic strategy around tax cuts, passing large reductions both in 2001 and 2003. Congressional Republicans are insisting that a similar agenda focused on tax cuts offers better prospects of reviving the economy than President Obama's combination of some tax cuts with heavy government spending. But the bleak economic results from Bush's two terms, tarnish, to put it mildly, the idea that tax cuts represent an economic recovery
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Ok, we get it, it was Bush's fault, it is Bush's fault, and if we don't rebound it will be Bush's fault. But once again I will remind you that Bush is gone. Now go check your Census Bureau report and tell me why the Presidents approval rating are down (Rasmussen)? Tell me why 52% of the American people don't want his health care reform? Why Republicans are six points ahead in a recent Generic Congressional Ballot. Bush is gone my friend, unemployment (by conservative estimates) at 10.2%, Bush is gone, ONLY 33% of people feel the country is going in the right direction. Bush is gone. Hows the hope and change working for ya!
23streets
14. Nov, 2009
You are so informed with Fox trash. Turn the TV off and go help a CR citizen in need….. you will feel better.
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
Con, I guessing you wrong, again.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
wrong? I'm wrong again? why?
23streets
14. Nov, 2009
Stop asking why and ask what can YOU do to pass Health Care Reform. The Reform will happen next year, be on the right side of a American Right for all TRUE Americans.
23streets
13. Nov, 2009
A neo con tea bagger……
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/13/ezell-ha...
hdeen
13. Nov, 2009
Here we go AGAIN…another "Obama is ruining the country" letter.
And the conspiracy theories presented in the letter to the editor are right up there with "Elvis being kidnapped by aliens".
The fact is that Obama's stimulus package was solely designed to prop up the Big Three Auto companies and certain key financial institutions. It was NOT, like the letter writer suggests, a means to control the economy. Without doing something, other companies (the ones that employ persons reading this) would have fallen like dominoes; further deepening the recession.
The REAL source of CONTROL in the United States is big corporations who have outsourced millions of manufacturing and other jobs overseas. Big Health insurance who control everything from the price of an aspirin to surgery, and big credit card companies who have jacked up fees and interest rates on all. The result has been a squeezing of the middle class to the point where the majority of us are one pink slip away from financial ruin. In other words, it's not Obama increasing the misery in this country.
But sadly, there are many like this letter writer who believe with their whole heart that Obama was sent from hell to destroy everything good in this country. It's hard to argue with those who profess these beliefs. But you do have my PITY.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Obama's stimulus was needed to prop up the big three auto companies, and certain key financial institutions, and its the big corporations, big credit cards companies (financial institutions) that is sqeezing the middle class, so it's fair to say that the stimulus is sqeezing the middle class to the point where the majority of us are one pink slip away from financial ruin?
Gary_E
13. Nov, 2009
And today BO conferred citizenship on FIVE 911 TERRORISTS. I can't wait, they will move for a change of venue which will probably be granted, they will delay for a few years and then be released into the US. That will be a great victory for BO and his lefty buddies.
j49
14. Nov, 2009
"And today BO conferred citizenship on FIVE 911 TERRORISTS."
Where do you come up with these crazy lies?
OwenHarper
14. Nov, 2009
This is a very good example of just how far removed from reality those on the right have become. How could anyone believe this?
CitiXen
13. Nov, 2009
This is democracy folks The Democrats won the last two election cycles so they get to govern. No matter how hard you stomp your feet and plug your ears you have at least another year. At least the conservative snit fit has been entertaining.
If Repubs wanted to stay in power they shouldn't have done such and abysmal job of running the country !!
chaimfinestein
14. Nov, 2009
Go to h3ll you McCarthyists!!! The Socialist Revolution has begun
chaimfinestein
14. Nov, 2009
Bouge de la, McCarthyists…. we have always been here.
23streets
14. Nov, 2009
Gary and your kind Can Not Handle The Truth. How sad and embarrassing your posting are!!
OwenHarper
14. Nov, 2009
Freedoms eroded by Bush
FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.
RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.
FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.
RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.
RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
now that, we can agree on, I'm the same way
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
no I get this one Dudie, ya see Owen said he gets easily confused before he has coffee, and I said I'm the same way. It's not that difficult, do you understand?
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
i'll try it again…. and type slowly for you_____Long list.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
oh personal attack, must be running out of facts huh Dudie
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
lol, good one, at least one of you people have a sense of humor.
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
Allright, I'm off base with that one. Did think it was apparent which comment the reference was to.
The facts are there for all of us I'll not bore both of us rehashing. The truth is out there, you've just got to look at it. Not for it…at it.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Wassamatter, con? No sense a humor?
Dudie
13. Nov, 2009
You're right I've let my dialogue quality slide. My bad.
Utter and profound frustration is not a good cultivator of dialogue.
I'm out of here.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Ain't my party.
The whole of the government is "in trouble", along with the USA, "US" included.
quit carping on other's not having a sense of humor, when clearly you can't take a "taste of your own" medicine.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
I'm having a difficult time finding the humor in circle j__k, but if think its funny I will play along ha ha ha ha ha, and for someone who claims to not have a "party" you sure seems slanted one way
davefett
13. Nov, 2009
something tells me Ann's an expert at the circle j__k. Probably was very popular in college for that reason.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
I have spoken out about both parties. Government is crooked. there is NO difference- we are all being fed a line and if you want to keep on being a part of the problem, being spoon fed by FAUX, be my guest.I am not apologizing. You are just as guilty. My "slant" is anti gov't. You better hang on to your g uns….
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
now thats funny
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
Read more- post less.
ctiger
13. Nov, 2009
Low humor is really not funny and says more about you, than the person you so feeble mindedly try to insult.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
You will be needing them, soon enough. Maybe, when the shoe is on the other foot, you will learn compas sion. Until then, I am done "wrestling with pigs".
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Dave, They have more compassion for terrorist, then they do with us.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Well Hi John, How are you? Thanks for the tip, but I have a great sense of humor, Get a load of the ones Ann said, hilarious. Well you take care little buddy
Jacqueknife
13. Nov, 2009
In every case.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
Thats what you guy use, isn't it? Then you would know John, Thanks for the input.
Gary_E
13. Nov, 2009
JP we know you nreject anything that doesn't fit your worldview.
conserview
13. Nov, 2009
wow, you two really have nothing at all to contribute, your party is in trouble and this is the best that come out of your holes
conserview
14. Nov, 2009
tiger are you saying you condone this type of dialoge? circle j__k? I thought you of all people were better then this. Maybe your just like the rest of them.
Ann_Onamouse
13. Nov, 2009
My field will keep me in work for a long time. Have fun.
And remember this post when you end up at the foodstamp office.
j49
14. Nov, 2009
"Dont worry, there will be plenty there for you and yours. I'll keep giving, so you can keep taking. "
If you aren't working, you won't be giving. Unemployment insurance is paid for by workers and their employers. I recommend you bite the bullet and accept the unemployment you have paid for and are entitled to if you don't get another job.
earthdog
15. Nov, 2009
I sure hope that you will accept unemployment. Remember that you paid into it for this specific reason.
And no, you don't need to change your voter reg. The Democrats who fought for this did so for the benefit of Americans, not the benefit of a political party.
shotfeel
14. Nov, 2009
Actually, if I remember correctly, John doesn't put much faith in any polls.
shotfeel
14. Nov, 2009
Did you just hear a big "Whooosh!"?
shotfeel
14. Nov, 2009
So when Ann does it its high humor, but if a conservative does it, it means they're feeble minded?
No double standard there, nosirreee.
shotfeel
14. Nov, 2009
But none of the numbers are getting consistently better, they just fluctuate in a positive direction now and then. Perhaps, being so scientific and logical, you can show poor old me the indicators that have been improving steadily? Of course if you actually had any information like that, you would have provided it, leaving you with only one recourse -bluster.
And yes, I think shoving an agreement down the throats of the auto industry investors giving them pennies for the dollar is an attack on investors. Forcing out the CEO of a company in order to take control is something else I would consider an attack on a company.
And since Obama is so predictable, maybe you can tell me when he's going to pull the troops out of Iraq? Is he going to send more troops to the Af/Pak theatre? Does "his" health care bill use tax money to fund abortions or not? Will it compete fairly with private insurance, or not? Is he going to close Gitmo, or not?… I could go on and on. The only thing Obama has done consistently is change directions.
j49
14. Nov, 2009
Well, it would be hard to show "steady improvement" when we have only just started to come out of the Great Bush Recession, now, wouldn't it? But unless you really do get ALL your news from right wing talk show hosts, you must know that the stock market and GDP have in fact turned around dramatically. Surely you have even heard that the financial industry is back from the brink. And you must know that job losses, always the last to improve, are shrinking.
As for Iraq, Obama is, in fact, pulling out, just as promised. Bush got us in deep. It will take a while to get out. And before you start with the "he can't blame Bush" line, remember. It's not Obama's fault that "W' was such a monumental screw-up.
Continued next post………..
j49
14. Nov, 2009
The health care bill does not use tax money to fund abortion, however the RNC has used your campaign contributions to pay for it's own insurance that does. The CBO says less than 5 percent will even use the public option if it is included. I think private insurance might be able to survive. If not, who cares?
He will close Gitmo, as soon as cowardly Republicans (and Democrats) in Congress admit that yes, we can house dangerous people in maximum security prisons right here in the US.
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
When I did it, it was tasteless…when a conservative does it…
"I'm having a difficult time finding the humor in circle j__k, "
"something tells me Ann's an expert"
"now thats funny "
…it is self righteous, and hypocritical.
Took the bait an ran with it…phoney pious bull…
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
I can't beleive that you are actually seriously saying this…you have no self awareness at all do you?
It's funny if it is a prostitute joke tho, right?
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
You exemplify exactly what the conservative party is about.
Phoney, self rightous, and hypocritical…
Congratulations.
I'm done.
conserview
14. Nov, 2009
prostitute joke? If I offended you in some way then I appolgize, but I don't see a prostitute joke anywhere. Lets remember who started this. Where were these people when Bush was eroding our rights, that's what I want to know. Why so happy to give it up for him? remember Ann
basketcase
14. Nov, 2009
"I think private insurance might be able to survive. If not, who cares? "
I care. I don't want public insurance. Visit you nearest Veterans Hospital sometime. Ask Canadians why they schedule their medical procedures in the US. Find out why a Doctor in Cuban drives a taxi to be able to provide for his family. Most people recognize the need for Health Care Reform but reasonable people recognize this Health Care Bill does not reform anything, it only shifts the focus.
conserview
14. Nov, 2009
good, because you make no sense, and per the norm, you can dish it out, but you sure can't take it….bye
j49
14. Nov, 2009
You are making the mistake of confusing public health insurance with public health care. Everyone could go on Medicare tomorrow but that would not be the same as the government employing health care workers or owning hospitals.
Ann_Onamouse
14. Nov, 2009
You exemplify exactly what the conservative party is about.
Phoney, self rightous, and hypocritical…
Congratulations.
I'm done.
basketcase
15. Nov, 2009
You are making the mistake of thinking public health insurance run by the government will be different from public health care.