Letters to the Editor
Same-sex marriage keeps institution strong
Posted on Nov 16, 2009 by Jeff Tecklenburg.
Given the recent voter decision against same-sex marriage in Maine, what good comes from broad, faceless discrimination against hardworking, taxpaying couples and families? No good! Our Constitution was founded on the Greater Good.
In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court made a ruling for interracial marriage. There was no vote. If there had been, does anyone really think it would have passed? Yet, it was and is the right thing to do.
Marriage is a civil institution. It gives legal rights to couples and families.
As a society, we have supported the 65-year-old, male/female couple to wed and cheered knowing they seek marriage for legal reasons, not propagation; yet we scoff at the 25-year-old gay couple who want to build a life together by seeking marriage for legal reasons. How contrary is that?
Iowa City brought to light the decision to offer insurance coverage to married couples only now that same-sex marriage is legal. Same-sex marriage helps to strengthen the institution of marriage; it gives people incentive to marry. Keep marriage strong: support same-sex marriage.
Iowa’s same-sex marriage ruling was made regarding marriage as a legal institution. Let’s keep it about the law and keep religion out of the equation. It was and is the right thing to do.
Marty Dailey
Cedar Rapids
SilaceMcKormic
16. Nov, 2009
So we have this subject turned loose for a few days again , can not wait.
Grandma of 6
16. Nov, 2009
Well Silace, unbelievable, you are the first one to post……
ctiger
16. Nov, 2009
Just don't start asking about the "untidy" details again.
SilaceMcKormic
17. Nov, 2009
Incidentally, now that you mention it , you have never explained why folks have so much revulsion for the untidy subject.
alicemiller
16. Nov, 2009
Black is white, male is female, a husband is a woman and a wife is a husband, tissues having DNA is a person, "awesome" is someone making a touchdown, witch-craft is a religious "theory," right is wrong, love is anything we say it is, marriage is a civil matter (as if civil matters had no validity beyond what we say), creationism is science, war is peace, a hero is someone who is murdered by a terrorist, a terrorist is a devout person, and death is life (going to be with Jesus or whatever other happy hunting ground you espouse). The marriage issue strikes at the very core of who we are as human beings. The polygamist has a much right to his/her sexual orientation, maybe more if historical precedence is considered, than pederasts. And you wonder why Christianity is becoming more and more a taboo subject among intellectuals? The issue for Christians, however, should not be about gay marriage, or abortion, the issue for Christians should be about freedom that comes from being born into the Kingdom of God premised on the Resurrection of Christ. Death is a reality. Jesus died on the cross. Really died, mind, body and soul. So will we. And until the church gets back on track with this message it really doesn't make any difference what we do. In the words of a well know writer, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." He did not write "eat, drink and be merry". (First Corinthians 15) Freedom comes from being in Jesus Christ. Then the Law is of no avail. To paraphrase Augustine "Love and do as you please." If Christ has not been raised then your faith is in vain. That is either the truth or a bunch of noise.
SilaceMcKormic
16. Nov, 2009
Perfect , the best post ever.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Unless I hear from God's own mouth he believes gays are an abomination, I will never believe it.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Try reading the Bible – it's spelled out in black and white but you pick and choose. Besides, gays aren't an abomination and no-one ever said they were; they are just people. The problem is homosexual behavior – that is what God calls an abomination.
HiawathaBob
17. Nov, 2009
You show me a bible from the time period printed in the language used, and someone that understands the language of the period. I'll read it.
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
Just another long string of nonsense.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
The abject ignorace of people comparing people of different colors marrying to same-sex "marriage" never ceases to amaze me. Racism is 100% wrong – people are people no matter what their skin color. A black man marrying a white woman, or vice versa, is a natural union. Same-sex people "marrying" is an unnatural union and a biological dead-end. Comparing the two is comparing apples and watermelons – totally illogical.
earthdog
17. Nov, 2009
Yet people in the past pointed to the Bible to support their racism. They also called interracial marriage an abomination.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
But if you actually read the Bible you will see it supports no such things. They were racists to begin with and twisted the Bible to force it to say what it didn't say in order to support their agenda. Sort of like those today who claim the Bible permits homosexuality.
MattHill
17. Nov, 2009
if your god has such an issue may he(or she) strike me down right now where i sit
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Doesn't have to – He has you for eternity
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
You, talking about abject ignorance. You've pegged my irony meter, imagine that.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Racism is not right you are correct. Discrimination period is not right, black-white-gay-straight. I have one word for everyone-letitgo!
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Discrimination is not right period? Then let's stop discrimination against pedophiles!
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
Why don't you start with the male-female sinners who have sex outside of marriage? It seems a bit precipitate to be so focused on Gays, when Church members are in local bars and picking up one night stands.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
If you have read my letters to the editor, you will have see I address all sexual sin in the same manner- caling it what it is, i.e., SIN. The difference with homosexuality is that it is the only sexual immorality demanding legal recognition as a "marriage" – it is the only one which is demanding acceptance and sanction by everyone in society. I have never heard of fornicators or adulterers demanding societal approval or demanding hate crime legislation for those who condemn their sin.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Now that is just goofy. Pedophilia is against the law, being gay isn't. However you know that, you just choose to ignore it.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
You said discrimination period was not right. I just showed you the illogic of your statement. Whether something is legal does not affect whether it is right or wrong. There are a lot of things wrong that are legal (such as abortion). It used to be against the law to have gay sex, so there goes your argument there. There are groups fighting to make pedophilia legal and declared another sexual orientation. Once you declare that male-female sex within the confines of marriage is not the only legitimate mode of sex, then you have no leg to stand on to fight pedophilia, polygamy, incest or bestiality. All you do is put your own limits on them, but if there is no absolute moral standard then it's just your opinion vs mine. And that, madam is what you and your ilk choose to ignore.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
Actually, Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Acting on it is against the law, but you're right – these days you can be arrested for having the disorder.
HiawathaBob
17. Nov, 2009
Peodphilia causes lasting harm to the victims. There is no "harm" caused by same-sex marriages.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Interesting. You obviously missed claims by many psychobabblers who say there is no harm to the children as long as the parents to make an issue of it. In fact, there is also the claim that the children enjoy it. "Intergenerational sex" is supposed to be a healthy thing. Like I said, psychobabble.
pigedoss
17. Nov, 2009
Yeesh. I hate this topic. What should it matter if two people who are married have the same genitals? it doesn't. yet, for some reason, there is this big group of people who go, "No! That's wrong! What I believe in is right!" When in all actuality what ever any one individual believes is right. Because it is right for them.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Then what should it matter if a father wants to marry his adult daughter, or a mother her adult son? It's not a matter of belief, it is a matter of the ultimate truth. There is such a thing as truth. And the truth is that same-sex relations are not valid uses of the human body, they are not morally correct, they are not biologically correct, and they are just plain wrong. Common sense tells everyone that, yet too many want to justify it.
chaimfinestein
17. Nov, 2009
Perhaps THIS is one of the reasons that non-theism is fastest growing religious affiliation in the U.S.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
I think I am finding out I am more spiritual than religious.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
Then you have discovered a profound truth.
Being religious does not entail automatic spirituality and spirituality is not contingent upon religion.
I have counseled people who were focused on the rules and regulations of their religion, they lost touch with their inner selves.
You become spiritually bankrupt then because in order to have a relationship with God, you must first know who you are.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Firstly, I am not a religious person. I am a Bible-believing Christian. I don't follow man's religious ideas, rather I follow what God says in His word. In order to have a relationship with the true God, and not one of your making, you must first acknowledge that you are a sinner in need of a savior and repent of your sins. It you tell God that homosexual behavior is okay, and that you think He okays it, they you are not seeking the God of the Bible, rather you are seeking one of your own making who allows you to sin as you please.
earthdog
18. Nov, 2009
I think that God is a lot smarter than you and has always known the truth He gave us science to find.
He might however resent your arrogance in presuming to be smarter than Him.
jamesman
17. Nov, 2009
what gives government the right to interfere in religious matters?
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
When religion tries to interfere in civil matters.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Marriage is not a religious matter.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
When you demand recognitiion of same-sex bahavior, including "marriage" then it IS a religious matter. If my belief says it's wrong and you punish me for not accepting that, then it IS a religious matter.
But on the other hand, same-sex marriage isn't JUST a religious matter. That is part of the problem with your whole agenda – you just can't conceive of the idea that non-religious people also find homosexuality to be abhorrent, and same-sex "marriage" to be an oxymoron.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Marriage has nothing to do with religion….why is that so hard to understand? Now, however, you are now pushing your agenda. Keeping marriage the way you want it. Those are the special rights you want.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Hey grandma, can you read and comprehend? Read again my last post. Marriage is part of religious beliefs and has been for thousands of years. But as I noted above, it ISN"T JUST A RELIGIOUS MATTER! Non-religious people also are against same-sex "marriage." But you can't comprehend that – you think the only objection people can have is religious, but believe it or not many base it on common sense. Why is it if I express my opinion, and belief system I am suddenly pushing my agenda, but when you do the same you aren't pushing YOUR agenda?!
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
In what way are you being punished when gay couples can marry?
The only person that has control over what you think is you. Change your mind, evolve.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
First off, I never said I was being punished if they "marry." But society as a whole suffers when perversion is sanctioned. Secondly, I didn't say anyone changed my thinking, rather people who refuse to sanction homosexuality are indeed being punished. Don't want to photograph a gay "wedding"? Pay thousands of dollars fine and go to indoctrination classes to teach you that you are an intolerant bigot. Don't want to artificially inseminate lesbians? Suffer massive fines and go to indoctrination classes. And on it goes. Either I keep my mouth shut, do their bidding or pay lots of money and go to indoctrination classes. Sue us until we buckle under and do your bidding. And yet you claim to be so tolerant. Bunch of hypocrites.
HiawathaBob
17. Nov, 2009
Okay here we go again. Marriage in the legal sense of the term is a contract between two people. It acrues certain rights and responsibilities that are unavailable to those that are unmarried.
Marriage in the religious sense of the word is a compact with God. They are different, but have been entwined by people opposed to same sex marriage. No one is going to force a minister to marry someone they don't want to marry. This is clearly evidenced by the Catholic Churches refusal to marry people that have been divorced.
jamesman
18. Nov, 2009
Marriage for centuries has been a religious matter, it was and still is conducted by a church (or whatever religious denomination you are) in a religious manner. Traditionally it is a religious matter. The state only got involved in very recent times and forced through laws a contract between the persons getting married and the state. The reason the states did this was for "health" reasons, but in reality it was racial reasons, now it is a fund generator for states. (thank the proper party its starts with a D).
So please get YOUR facts straight, and I can tell you I hate the idea of signing these contracts whenever I marry two persons, especially when it is none of your business what two people do with their own lives.
earthdog
18. Nov, 2009
Marriage existed long before organized religion did. It was a business contract between a couples' parents for economic advantage and to ensure heirs for one's wealth.
It's you who should study Sociology before making uninformed statements.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Ok, please, read my post again. Religion has nothing to do with marriage. You go to the GOVERNMENT courthouse to purchase a GOVERNMENT license only if they approve of you getting married. When you have the ceremony is when you CHOOSE TO BRING RELIGION. It's alright that you don't agree with it, just don't disrespect people if they don't believe in what you believe. Don't agree with it, but still respect them. Very simple.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
You are still trying to redefine the term. Marriage by definition is between a man and a woman. Always has been, always will be. It was God who defined what marriage is so therefore it will always be a "religious" issue. But drop the religious issue as I keep saying, and most people who aren't religious also are against such perversion. You know in your heart of hearts that same-sex relations are wrong and you just keep trying to justify that which cannot be justified.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Glen has a gay person hurt you in the past, why do they bother you so much?
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
That's what I was wondering.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
You know full well where homophobia comes from. Glenn does apparently see something deep inside himself to feel that threatened.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Typical psychobabble response. If you are against something it's because you see it in yourself. And you call that science?!?!??!
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Mr. Haggard, it's actually true. Oh, I mean Glenn.
SilaceMcKormic
17. Nov, 2009
No but it has ruined a lot of families lives. Can't percieve what it must be like to have a child come in and say" folks meet my whatchamacall-it ". Every case heard of has been devastating and been destructive to the extended family as well. If homosexuality is not an aquired taste, for goodness sakes we all have variations that we live with and do not unload on the entire populous and our families..
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Silace, if your child came home and told you they were gay, what would you do? Would you disown them?
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Yeah Silace. Ignore the thousands of people who know their children are gay, accept and love them and their partners because in your little world you haven't seen it.
SilaceMcKormic
18. Nov, 2009
Whats been your experience ?
MattHill
19. Nov, 2009
my partner comes to family events, my family is sad when he can't make it, and my parents can't wait for us to get married
there you go silace
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Oh, there it is! I wondered how long it would take. I could only be against the sanctioning of same-sex relations if I was hurt by a gay person. Get real. COMMON SENSE, lady. Same-sex relations are wrong, period. The issue never bothered me until gays started demanding special protections such as hate crime legislation, hate speech legislation (as all over Europe and Canada), teaching my kids in school that it is natural and you are bigoted if you say differntly, suing people for not wanting to participate in the practice when they refuse to work at "weddings" or provide artificial insemination, demand the redefining of marriage, etc. When the Boy Scouts are penalized for not wanting gay leaders, for forcing the adoption of children by gays when every study – and common sense – shows that the best family situation is a mother and a father. That's why it bothers me.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
Sir, I believe it's you that wants special rights. You want to deny gays the ability to marry. That is the special rights you are wanting. And don't talk to me about mother & father. So many of our "young men" running the opposite direction when they find out the young lady they slept with is pregnant. Marriage is too disposable today. "we will just get divorced if it doesn't work" is the mantra to the vows. You want to bet if we outlawed divorce, there would be hardly any marriages.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
I don't have special rights nor am I demanding them. Gays are demanding the special right to redefine what marriage is. Find me anywhere the right for same-sex "marriage." Find me anywhere the right for incestuous marriage or polygamy. There are no such rights. Marriage is defined as it always has been, between opposite sex partners.
That there are bad examples of parenthood does not thereby negate the institution.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
And you are demanding the special rights to keep it the way it is. But the bottom line it's equal rights. They work and pay their taxes the same as you and I. Why should the be denied the same things you and I have. It's simple.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Would you like a little cheese with that whine?
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Okay let's get this straight. I used to never care what gays did, and still don't care what they do in the privacy of their own homes. BUT, it IS forcing your stuff on us when demand societal approval by changing the definition of marriage to include perversion. Schools teach kids that it is a normal lifestyle, and that there nothing wrong with it. Grade school children are being forced to accept that when "Heather Has Two Mommies" it is normal and if you disagree you are ostracized as a bigot. In Europe and Canada hate speech laws sentence people to jail and fines just for saying homosexual behavior is wrong.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
LOL, you are funny.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Glenn, you have no idea what you are talking about.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Part two. A photographer who didn't want to shoot a same-sex ceremony was severely fined and sent to indoctrination classes. Doctors who refused to artificially inseminate lesbians were severly fined and sent to indoctrination classes. Every time someone doesn't want to participate in the lifestyle of gays in their business they get sued. Christians who own bed & breakfasts and refuse a room to non-married heterosexual couples also refuse gay couples and yet they get sued and fined for discrimination. Etc, etc, etc. Don't tell me you aren't forcing people to fall in line with your ideology. Either they do or get indoctrinated and fined or even jailed. You always cry "tolerance" but give none. If I don't want to play music at your same-sex ceremony, then go get someone else and don't sue me because of my moral values. That makes you the intolerant, bigoted hypocrite.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
I am not gay, I am not forcing anyone to do what they don't want to do. No one is. As I said, it's your choice to disagree or not, but when you start disrespecting people because they don't think the same as you, that is where the bigotry and intolerance come in. I am in no way a hipocrite. I believe in equal rights for all. Very simple. Curious though, how would you treat your child if they told you they were gay? Would you disown them?
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
The "you" in that two-part comment is a plural "you" meaning all of your ilk forcing gaydom down our throats. So if I disagree with your lifestyle and behavior and say that it is wrong, suddenly I'm disrespecting you by saying so? You behavior towards me for having a different opinion is therefore disrespecting me and intolerant and bigoted towards my opinions. By the way, there is no such thing as equal rights for all. An executioner has the right to execute a condemned man, but I don't have the right of vigilante justice. Marriage is a right to qualified people only, that means opposite sex, not closely related, and only one.
I would not disown my children if they were gay or promiscous. BUT, since they are Christians, I would tell them they were in sin and they would required to exercise church discipline against them until they repented.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
It is not disrespecting people to disagree with them. Nor is it intolerance and bigotry. Unless you want to apply the same standards to what you just wrote. There is no such thing as equal rights for all – rights always have qualifications. Marriage by definition disqualifies same-sex.
If my children were gay or promiscous, being Christians I would have to confront them with their sin. If they did not leave the sin behind they would be subject to church discipline.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
You sir are incorrect. Equal rights, why would you deny that?
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Again, totally clueless.
Grandma of 6
18. Nov, 2009
I know, sad……
keithmapel
19. Nov, 2009
This statement "I don't care,what people do behind closed doors." They do care or it wouldn't bother them,in public. You shouldn't have to go behind closed doors to live. Same sex relationships, people say this is being forced on them, if it is in public view. The word "Forced on them," I can not understand,if their forcing their being,on you. What are "You doing,"by forcing them
to stay behind closed doors.( You are forcing, your way of life, on another person.) This country at one time,was a "free" place,to go and come. People can only have freedom, when anther person,
is not forcing their way of living,on another person. These people,just want to live in peace.
Grandma of 6
19. Nov, 2009
Keith, I couldn't agree more.
Buick
20. Nov, 2009
God of the Bible is our Creator. His moral code trumps your god which is your mind.
Oh, I get it, you don't think we're all sinners! If I have to choose between His opinion and a sinners, sorry, you don't even place in the race.
Your ego is such that you want to live your life without God interfering and then condemn society for not sanctioning it.
Grow up, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Grandma of 6
20. Nov, 2009
With all due respect, the world doesn't revolve around you either.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
I stand corrected. I did not know that…lol learn something new everyday.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Firstly, until heavy pressure by the gay activists in the early 1970s, homosexuality was a mental disorder, too. It was voted off the list. All one has to do is vote pedophilia off the list and it becomes instantly no longer a disorder. Proving psychobabble is not a bit scientific. Besides, since the mind is intangible, how can it have a disorder or sickness? The psych industry has brainwashed way too many people. It used to people were responsible for actions, but now people just have illness and disorders. Even evolution has more science involved than psychotherapy.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
Amazing though isn't it, the way some will twist and reach to try and make their point.
Linking same sex marriage to pedophilia is a rather desperate measure.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
I did not link the two; I pointed put both are misuses of human sexuality. And if you say one is okay, then how can you logically claim any other misuse of human sexuality is okay? It becomes just your opinion as to what is sexually okay, because you accept no moral standard of truth.
Buick
18. Nov, 2009
Kinda like NAMBLA right?
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
Voted off the list?
How about after a review of the evidence by a group of highly qualified doctors, it was determined that homosexuality should no longer be treated as a mental disorder.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
It was determined during the fifties that people did not choose to be gay. The APA advised all it's members to stop trying to "cure" clients and focus on helping them cope.
The religious groups do not help this and instead continue to cause Psychological harm to countless people.
Every Gay person who has committed suicide or been killed – Their blood is on the hands of the self-righteous, religious fanatics who are so arrogant as to presume to know better than trained professionals.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
How about you do a wee bit of research into the truth and not suck up revisionist history?
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
What you chose to ignore, is your opinion has no business affecting anyone elses life. You don't want to marry a man, fine. Don't.
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
Whether I'm a fornicator or adulterer is none of your business either.
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
The truth? The truth? You can't handle the truth.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
That is a lot of gay propaganda, let alone revisionist history to support the gay cause. So-called trained professionals in the psych industry have hundreds of competing theories and no science behind any of it. Try studying a wee bit about the field of psychotherapy and psychological counseling and you will see it is no different than witch-doctoring.
Isn't amazing that there are so very many gays who have left that behind? Oh, I forgot. According to the gay activists if a person leaves gaydom behind it has to because he was never gay to begin with. Try explaining that to my friend who was gay for a couple decades and then left it behind and is not happily married. Oh, he will tell you it is a choice. But he obviously is lying because that doesn't fit with your ideology. I think it is the gay fanatics who are so arrogant as to presume to know better than those who left the perversion behind because it proves they have a choice which means they can't be victims any more.
Buick
18. Nov, 2009
You forgot to add, determined without science.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Oh, so your opinion is okay to affect someone else's life? If you don't want slaves, then don't. But why shouldn't other people have slaves? Just because you are against slavery, why should your opinion affect someone else's life?
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
A gay friend? You? No way.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
I was trained as a Scientist and have no agenda but the truth. You must have missed or ignored the posts where I mentioned that, so don't try to argue Psychology with me.
The man you're talking about is telling the truth when he says it's not a choice and only unconscionable arrogance would allow one to call me and him liars.
Quite frankly, I don't understand why he would want to as-sociate with narrow minded fanatics who are harmful to his emotional and physical health.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Didn't say it was. I just say what God says – they are all sins of sexual immorality. But fornicators and adulterers don't try to force me to accept their lifestyle, while gays do. When you try to force me to accept your perversion, then it becomes my business.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
That should read "…and is NOW happily married…" Yes, I have a friend who used to be gay. It's not the people I have a problem with, it's their ideology of trying to force me to accept their wrong behavior as okay and to sanction it.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Who is forcing you?
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
You're the one who's trying to force your belief system on them, by wanting to deny them the right to marry.
Did I tell you that I recently signed a petition asking the government to start taxing Churches if their members persisted in meddling in civil matters?.
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
I still say, no way.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
No he can't. If he ever stared the truth in the eye, he would have to despise himself and he knows it.
OwenHarper
17. Nov, 2009
How is my opinion affecting your life? How does gay couples being married affect your life?
The slavery analogy is lame.
HiawathaBob
17. Nov, 2009
pretty comfortable in your after-life?
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
Again, Glenn, who is forcing you? Are they physically threatening you to accept them?
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
You're stretching it now. Your fear and bias are showing.
No one is trying to force you to be gay, at least no one outside of yourself.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
Um Hello! when you demand sactioning of same-sex marriage you are forcing me to accept it as such; when you teach my kids in school that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle, you are forcing it on me, when you sue people for not photographing your "wedding" you are forcing it on us. Etc, etc, etc
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
It is a moral issue and not a political issue. And the church is people, not an institution.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
I agree, if churches (and we know who they are) keep throwing themselves into the political arena, they need to pay taxes…..period.
GlennChatfield
17. Nov, 2009
I can argue psychobabble with you all day long. It is unscientific opinion, period. And hundred so competing theories, period. Your so-called truth doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
ctiger
17. Nov, 2009
No you can't argue it all day, because babble is all you know.
And no it's not unscientific, the world disagrees with you on that.
And again, what are you so afraid of?
You will never make the truth go away by denying it's existence. Ignore it and it will bite you on the butt, when you least expect it.
Never turn your back on a hungry Tiger.
ctiger
18. Nov, 2009
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Revocation-of-tax-e...
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
Neither one of you would know the truth if it bit you.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
It is not lame – it is the logical response to your statement.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Come on now, answer the questions if you dare.
And, yes, it is lame. Slavery is the systematic abuse of human beings and the institution has been rightfully dismantled.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
Signed up myself. About time those deadbeats pay their share.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
So says the man trapped in the bronze age.
Grandma of 6
17. Nov, 2009
No one is forcing YOU to do anything. What are you afraid of?
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
How is society harmed when two men or two women marry? Please, be specific.
How do you feel about that Justice of the Peace who recently refused to marry an interracial couple? Should he have lost his job?
Should a pharmacist be allowed to refuse to dispense medicine because of their moral beliefs? You know, contraception.
These people are not suffering massive fines. The photographer you're talking about paid the couples attorneys fees, about $6,000.00, no fine. There are no indoctrination classes.
GlennChatfield
18. Nov, 2009
You still wouldn't believe it.
OwenHarper
18. Nov, 2009
You wouldn't either.
SilaceMcKormic
18. Nov, 2009
Were you paying attention in clas s.
ctiger
18. Nov, 2009
Once again you're twisting the facts to suit your agenda.
ctiger
19. Nov, 2009
If you're getting married, congratulations. If not, listen to your parents, they know what's best for you.
Grandma of 6
19. Nov, 2009
Congratulations on impending nuptials!